EDITORIAL: The Five Reasons Why I Plan to Vote for Obama

by Saundra McKee

   After weeks of op-ed pieces against our President, I’d like to offer a dissenting viewpoint. I like and respect and consider Jack Bennett a friend, but disagree with him politically.  I have no doubt that it will set off a series of tyrannical rants from the right, and that’s okay.  I’m a liberal Christian, sixty-two year old female, Democrat and retired educator (in order of importance to me).  For as long as I can remember my litmus test for those I vote for is based on a quote from the late Vice President Hubert Humphrey:  “The moral test of government is how it treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged; and those who are in the shadows of life, the sick needy and the handicapped.”  For me, Barack Obama’s life, career record and philosophy most reflects the values presented in the quote.

  1. The children.  It’s no accident that teachers, like other union members, support Democratic candidates most of the time.  Obama worked for children and schools as a state legislator in Illinois and continues to see the problems with standardized testing being used as the sole measure of a student’s achievement.  Romney thinks class size is irrelevant to student success.  There are studies that go both ways on that one, but ask almost any teacher.  Obama is willing to listen to students, parents and teachers.  I don’t get that from Romney.

   2. The aged, sick, needy, handicapped.  I’ll lump these together because too often being old and being sick go together.  Medicare and Social Security are so important to many of our seniors and the historical record shows that the Democrats have been the ones to protect it. Organizations for retirees agree.  Ryan, Bush, Santorum and other members of the GOP were determined to privatize social security and throw that money on the stock market.  With health care, we are just about the only modern nation that doesn’t provide quality health care to all its citizens.  Obama care isn’t perfect yet it is so much like Romney care from Massachusetts!  At least we’ve taken the first steps.  The American Council of Churches, AARP and many other groups support these efforts.  All these programs can be saved and reformed if members of Congress stop worrying about re-election and try to work together.

    3.To Humphrey’s list of who government should look out for I would add some others:  Pets-It may be silly, but I would never carry my beloved dog on the roof of my car.  Victims of bullying-as a teacher you try to curb this, but can only do so much.  It may be reaching, but I don’t like people who prey on or in Mitt’s case beat up on weaker individuals.  Veterans-Obama has worked to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan and increase benefits for veterans.  I understand Romney got several deferments and along with mission work, studied French in Paris during the Vietnam War.  Women and racial minorities-I try to respect all religions and have no idea what he’ll do, but a cursory glance at the history of Mormonism or Church of Latter Day Saints raises all kinds of concerns about racism and empowerment of women.  Victims of incest and rape- Paul Ryan(who would be a heart beat from the presidency) opposes abortion even when the mother is the victim of incest and rape.  That to me should be a very personal decision.  Mitt was once pro choice, pro gay and pro gun control.  He claims he’s done a big turn, so I don’t really know where he stands on many social issues.  In the area of civil rights and human rights, Obama wins hands down in my humble opinion.  Conservatives claim they don’t want government interference but then try to get the government to tell women and gays what they can and cannot do.

     4. His persona.  Obama is a likeable guy that I can relate to.  He seems like a good husband and dad who really cares about people.  He wasn’t born wealthy.  He and Michelle had student loans and he drove around in old clunker cars even when he was in the Illinois legislature.  He lived in crummy apartments and lived paycheck to paycheck.  He could have made big bucks in the private sector, but chose teaching and service.  I respect that.  He’s patriotic but doesn’t think every war is equally just.  I can connect with him.  Like his granddad, my dad went out and signed up to serve and defend our country the day Pearl Harbor was bombed.  He’s a Constitutional Scholar who understands the need for limits to our rights.  He doesn’t want to take away anyone’s guns but questions whether private citizens need automatic rifles.  I find the Republican mayor of NYC much more outspoken on gun control.  I also like that he is of mixed race and has lived and experienced other cultures.  He sees the shades of grey (nothing to do with those novels!) when it comes to global issues like the Middle East and global warming.

    5. His record.  “General Motors is Alive and Bin Laden is Dead.” Great bumper sticker and true.  NASA is privatized, credit card companies are more honest and the economy is coming back.  I think we were on the verge of a major depression in 2008.  Romney’s policies sound scarily like those of George W. We can’t blame the man for all that’s wrong with the world. Gas prices reflect oil company greed (he did make BP clean up the Gulf) more than presidential policy.  There are several sites that list accomplishments of his first administration.  Check them out.

It’s clearly going to be a close election.  I have tried to warm up to Romney and just haven’t been able to sense that he gives a darn about my demographic or the demographics that I care about.  I fear what blunders he’ll make across the pond. I don’t think he can inspire us or bring us together as a nation. He was strongly disliked during his one term governorship.  I could say lots more and should include footnotes, but space is always at a premium.  If this gets printed, I sincerely thank the KP for its independence.

  • By JornJensen, August 28, 2012 @ 9:02 AM

    Well, I’ll start it off. Very well-written piece.

    I’ll go straight to #5 and try to keep it brief. You need to give GM a ‘physical’ today and you’ll see that GM is on life support. That was a bad investment for the taxpayer. Bin Laden is dead – we think – and no thanks to Obama. He fretted that decision and took too long to make it. Poor, poor leadership. Others had to ‘push’ him. Plus, the basic work of tracking and montoring Bin Laden was done long before Obama became president. The Navy Seals took care of the task.

    Gasoline prices – very much affected by the attitude of the president. Obama is anti-fossil and pro-wind and solar. That’s nice when the wind blows and the sun shines. It is a good ‘help’ for real energy. Our area depends on coal and gas (mining and drilling) – jobs in our area depend on that work – homeowners’ abilities to pay taxes depend on those. The rapid swing to solar and wind is too idealistic – Obama shouldn’t put all of those eggs in that one basket. If he were more friendly to fossil, gasoline prices would go down some.

    You state, “I don’t think he can inspire us or bring us together as a nation.” I thought you were referring to Obama – he IS known as the Great Divider.

    Sorry, Saundra, but you are supporting a total lack of leadership in supporting Obama.

    NEXT, please!

  • By Toni, August 28, 2012 @ 9:17 AM

    Thank you, Saundra McKee, for finally providing an editorial that makes sense, does not degrade anyone, and shows compassion. I, too, will vote for Obama once again for just those same reasons you list.

  • By amazed, August 28, 2012 @ 9:27 AM

    Let me address one point that you have made. The Republican candidates want to “fix” Medicare by making it a voucher system where seniors can choose. This assertion is at least partially based on a philosophy that competition (among inusrance companies) is always good. That idea itself is debatable (Have you ever wondered how much money is spent on advertizing to entice you to buy from competing vendors?), but what really concerns me is the challenge that many seniors will have in making such choices. All too many seniors are living alone, and trying to make sense out of a simple telephone or electric bill isn’t easy. And yet, we want them to be allowed to choose among competing insurance companies whose legal jargon will confuse and obfuscate the benefits and risks of that particular policy. Do you think that I am painting seniors unfairly, as though they cannot read and understand written words? I challenge any of you to be able to clearly explain the insurance policies that you hold now and to know EXACTLY what they cover and don’t cover. And we cannot ignore that for most seniors, there is a degree of cognitive loss as we age. In addition, I do not believe that insurance companies who might be in this future voucher program will be altruistic enough to be certain that seniors clearly understand the options with which they are presented. The insurance companies will be doing what they do now—-making the biggest profits that they can make,to satisfy their shareholders and CEOs.

    Fixing Medicare is important. Offering all those of us over 55 to be able to continue the program, and only put this voucher program in place for those under 55, might persuade current seniors (of which I am one) to say, “As long as they don’t mess with my Medicare, I am happy.” I hope that the current seniors see the pitfalls that are likely to be in place for a voucher system, even if it doesn’t directly impact them. It will impact their “younger” friends and family. Fixing Medicare might include an increase in the current payroll deduction, or coupled with the deduction for Social Security, might include raising the ceiling upon which those taxes are collected. Horrors, you say? No new taxes? Our taxes are already higher than they’ve ever been, you say? That’s not true, but deserves its own post.

    This political season has become so full of poisonous attacks on the opposite side, that I wonder if people actually do take time to think about these issues, independently of what the label “Republican” or “Democrat” evokes in their minds. If it’s Democrat, it must be “bad”; if it’s Republican, it must be “good”. Or visa versa.

    What has happened to the idea of reasoned compromise? Or to describe a position in more depth than a 20-second sound bite?

    Let’s fix Medicare (and Social Security) but let’s not assume that doing the opposite of what we are doing now is THE answer. Complex questions rarely have simple answers.

  • By JornJensen, August 28, 2012 @ 9:34 AM

    Saundra – Seems that the KP put your article in quite quickly. Kudos to David and the KP.

    You are predicting attacks on your article. I think, that over time, you’ll find leftist attacks on the right are much more prevalent than right attacks on leftists. I think that you’ll see that in the people on this site that will be supporters of your position.

    Next, I’d like you to defend Fast and Furious and the president’s use of executive privilege to avoid supplying documents to congress. In the private sector, Holder would be ‘gone’ and his boss would be ‘gone’ with him.

  • By taxpoor, August 28, 2012 @ 9:52 AM

    She got one thing right she is a liberal and yes the unions always back the democrats that produce union jobs that they create that raises the debt that we pay for for years.But after that i dont know. As an educator I would think she would do some homework. Obama a cristian I doubt it.For the elderly I guess takeing money from medicare to pay for Obama care is all right with her.The democrats protect social security! thay have stolen from it to pay for all there give away programs for years everyone can get SSI and welfare these days.Obama grew up poor and hes patriotic! Give me a break.His record Genral motors is alive! On our money and they paid millions in bonuses to their CEO’s for running their company into the ground. By the way anyone getting a break on new GM cars for helping them out? Oil company greed! We can drill here we could have had a major pipline here all stoped by the democrats that could eliminate inport of oil. Hows The economy getting better? By giveing the EPA total rule Shutting down the coal industry giveing our money to failed wind and solar energy greenies. And How long will the democrats going to play the race card we know he’s black! So what. And she fears what blunders Romney will make across the pond! Who cares. When are the liberals going to put the USA and their working class people who pay there own way first? And yes their are several liberal sites that shows his accomplishments and most of it is lies. Do your homework teach! look out the window go down town anywere in the USA. Those people walking around and standing on the corners are not working either by choice becuase the liberals give them incentive by paying them not to work or they cant find jobs becuase Obama has left the EPA and the greenies shut down their jobs for the betterment of all mankind. One thing that will never change. Every election the democrats will start to preach the bad republicans are only for the rich and their going to starve the elderly and take money from the poor and abuse the minoritys. You think they would just tell the truth. Vote for us and we will give you houseing,money and health care and when theres nobody left working to pay for it and everyones dependent on the government we will own you all.

  • By north end guy, August 28, 2012 @ 11:23 AM

    Very nice piece of penmanship,Saundra.I agree with you 100% and I’m a Rep. and not too proud of it lately.He didn’t start the trouble this country is in, but at least he’s trying to fix it.Obama in 2012!!!!!!!

  • By cartman, August 28, 2012 @ 5:38 PM

    Why do you automatically consider a disagreeing opinion a tyrannical rant?

  • By lucky1, August 28, 2012 @ 5:48 PM

    She forgot to add this in her column:
    From another source since KP does not allow links
    “Earlier this month, Mitt Romney was welcomed for a campaign event at the Century Mine in Beallsville, Ohio, by hundreds of coal workers and their families. Now many of the mine’s workers are saying they were forced to give up a day-worth of pay to attend the event, and they feared they might be fired if they didn’t, according to local news radio WWVA.

    The claims have been mostly denied by Rob Moore, Chief Financial Officer of Murray Energy Company, which owns the mine. He acknowledges that workers weren’t paid that day but says no one was made to attend the event. Well, kind of.

    “Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend,” he told local news radio WWVA, which has received several emails from workers claiming that the company records names of workers that don’t attend those types of events.”
    Can someone, anyone, give me one good reason to vote for Willard Romney? I am still waiting.

  • By worthingtonman, August 28, 2012 @ 7:18 PM

    @Saundra

    How can you be happy about what Obama did to General Motors? Yes he sent them through a special Bankruptcy. a special Bankruptcy that made sure the Unions got what they needed. You have compassion for the elderly, but what about the elderly stock holders who got zip. Their entire retirement gone. but lo and behold, the Government save General Motors. They should have went bankrupt and restructured like every other company does. If they can not succeed on their own, then they do not belong in business. I see the doom of General Motors once again. They will fail soon. I say buy a Ford. NASA is Privatized? Really? was it Sony that just landed a rover on mars? They only thing they have done is grounded the space shuttle and we have to rely on the Soyuz capsules. anywasy Saundra, NASA is alive and well. The economy is coming back? Great! where is it? The last I checked home sales are horrible, unemployment is above 8% and climbing again, Folks on food stamps have scored record highs. Manufacturing continues to fall and most economists are predicting a second recession. The constitution does not guarantee us limited rights as liberals like to think. You are a Christian woman and do not have a problem with Obama approving of partial birth abortion? Read up on that one and let me know how that can be sugar coated with god. 3 times while in the Illinois Senate Obama voted against laws that would have protected the lives of a baby who survived a abortion. I guess as Christians we should overlook that. You feel confident in calling Mormons racists? Really? Obamas own minister is probably one of the biggest racists alive. Obama went to that mans church for twenty years and over looked his anti American racist rants. but that is ok. and as a teacher you would be against standardized tests. That is because these tests can clearly show who is doing a good job teaching and who is doing poorly. It is easy to understand your position on that. Maybe before you slam a religion you should study it and understand.

  • By dalereese67, August 28, 2012 @ 9:37 PM

    Batter up! Who’s first? Jorn, worthingtonman, …..

  • By mark, August 28, 2012 @ 11:01 PM

    Thank you Saundra for your courage with this article. I admire you for that. I strongly disagree with your views but you presented it very eloquently. That in itself deserves my applause. Thank you again.

  • By AsokAsus, August 28, 2012 @ 11:39 PM

    Uh, if you go see “2016: Obama’s America”, you might change your mind.

  • By heknowsitall, August 28, 2012 @ 11:58 PM

    Rather amazing that this woman is so clueless that she somehow seems to ignore that as a Senator Obama 4x’s voted to deny babies that survived abortions any comfort or medical care. There was a case where literally babies were thrown in a closet until they were dead. This is how much Obama cares about the “least among us”…NObody ever said liberals were very bright or concerned with facts.

  • By heknowsitall, August 29, 2012 @ 12:01 AM

    Obama has engaged in economic genocide against over 5mm people who no longer count as unemployed. Under his Presidency everyone is poorer. More income was lost in his “recovery” then during the recession.

    Further, Obama has literally been GIVING away America’s wealth advertising foodstamps in Mexico increasing govt. dependence to the point where now 1/3 of the nation is “dependent”. Disability claims exceed jobs created with 1/3 claiming “mood issues” prevent them from employment. This author may be the single biggest moron on the internet because she sincerely believes this idocy. This President is the most callous, least caring scumbag who thinks he must cut america down to size to make the world a better place.

  • By lucky1, August 29, 2012 @ 4:42 AM

    Heknowsitall, with your poor writing skills, it is not a good idea to call attention to other people’s intelligence or lack thereof. Speaking of lack thereof, Jorn once again displays his partisan illogic by claiming Obama should have no credit for getting bin Laden (even though in his campaign in 2008 he repeatedly stated we will kill or capture bin Laden), but he is entirely to blame for high gas prices which are a complex combination involving multinational corporations (capitalism at its finest) and foreign nations who control their oil production and share the profits with their citizens, much like socialist Alaska does with its oil and gas royalties.
    Wonder if those coal miners who lost a day’s pay because they were forced to listen to Willard Romney in a nonunion mine will vote for him?
    Finally, an opinion article that does not just parrot talk radio.

  • By cartman, August 29, 2012 @ 8:18 AM

    lucky1
    Obama has prevented us from developing our own oil resources. Doesn’t that have something to do with gas prices? You yourself made reference to the effect of foreign countries on our economy. When wii you “Opostles” wake up?

  • By scott_starr, August 29, 2012 @ 9:03 AM

    @lucky1:

    1. Until you prove that Romney orchestrated the alleged miners strife, then your argument is pointless.

    2. Romney would not have given $500 million to Solyndra

    3. Romney already stated that he will cut government spending, that is one reason to vote for him.

  • By dalereese67, August 29, 2012 @ 10:12 AM

    I agree that heknowsitall has no room to talk when it comes to questioning someones intelligence.

    Mark- nice post. Agree to disagree, but commend the writer for a well written and thought out article.

  • By worthingtonman, August 29, 2012 @ 11:37 AM

    @lucky1

    That sure looks like a run on sentence.

  • By dawgfood, August 29, 2012 @ 12:29 PM

    Let’s start from the bottom up, his record. Since the left wants to always live in the past and blame that bad and evil man George Bush, we’ll compare. When Bush left office, deficit was $10.626 Trillion. Now it’s pushing $16 T. Under Bush debt rose 607 Billion a year; Under Obama it is 1.726 Trillion per yr. Deficit spending under Bush – 410 B/yr; Under Obama 1.413 trillion per year. In the wake of a recession that began roughly seven weeks after President Bush took office, America experienced six years of uninterrupted economic growth and a record 52 straight months of job creation that produced more than 8 million new jobs. During the Bush presidency, the unemployment rate averaged 5.3 percent. We saw labor- productivity gains that averaged 2.5 percent annually — a rate that exceeds the averages of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. Real after-tax income per capita increased by more than 11 percent. And from 2000 to 2007, real GDP grew by more than 17 percent, a gain of nearly $2.1 trillion.

    As for Obama’s claim that Bush “turned a budget surplus into a deficit”: by January 2001, when Bush was inaugurated, the budget surpluses were already evaporating as the economy was skidding toward recession (it officially began in March 2001). Combined with the devastating economic effects of 9/11, when we lost around 1 million jobs over 90 days, the surplus went into deficit. Rather than whine incessantly about the situation, President Bush proposed policies that triggered the kind of sustained growth that saw the deficit fall to 1 percent of GDP ($162 billion) by 2007. Indeed, before the financial crisis of 2008 Bush’s budget deficits were 0.6 % points below the historical average.

    Under BO, unemployment over 8% for 42 consecutive months. The overall unemployment rate, incorporating people who want jobs but stopped looking is above 16.5 percent. According to J.D. Foster, Obama’s “job deficit” — the difference between current employment and the jobs Obama promised to create by the end of 2010 – stands at a staggering 7.6 million workers. The 2010 deficit is $1.471 trillion, or 10 percent of GDP, while the debt is $9.2 trillion, or 62.7 percent of GDP. (From January 20, 2001, to January 20, 2009, the debt held by the public grew $3 trillion under Bush, from $3.3 trillion to $6.3 trillion; in 20 months, Mr. Obama will add as much debt as Mr. Bush ran up in eight years.) And let’s not forget that the Obama administration passed an $862 billion stimulus package and assured us that unemployment would not exceed 8 percent; instead, unemployment topped 10 percent–a figure higher than what the Obama administration said would occur if the stimulus package wasn’t passed.

    Sales of new homes collapsed earlier this year, sinking 33 percent to the lowest level on record (new home sales rose in June from May’s historical low, but the overall pace was still the second slowest on record, the Commerce Department reported.

    Not surprisingly, the Conference Board Consumer Confidence Indexnow stands at 50.4. As a reference point, a reading above 90 indicates that the economy is on solid footing, while above 100 signals strong growth. We also learned recently that the Federal Reserve, downgrading its assessment of the economy, announced that the pace of recovery is “more modest” than it had anticipated. “The Fed noted that high unemployment, modest income growth, lower housing wealth and tight credit were holding back household spending,” according to the Wall Street Journal.

    Consider this as well: according to the Obama administration’s own projections, in the first term we’ll see an average unemployment rate of 9.0 percent, real GDP growth of 1.1 percent, federal spending as a percentage of GDP at 24 percent, budget deficits as a percentage of GDP at 7.8 percent, and the deficits as a percentage of GDP at 6.2 percent.

    Now, unlike Obama, whose intellectual dishonesty can be striking at times, some of us are willing to concede that things need to be placed within a proper context. Obama took the oath of office in the wake of a financial collapse that made every economic indicator much worse; it’s only fair to take that into account. But even here, in characterizing what happened, Obama has to present a cartoon image, distorted and disfigured, pretending that it was wholly and completely the fault of President Bush and Republicans. In fact, it was a complex set of factors that both Republicans and Democrats were complicit in. In addition, it’s worth noting that Democrats were in control of Congress beginning in January 2007 — and Congress is where legislation, including appropriations and tax legislation, is passed. Second, spending would have been much higher during the Bush presidency if Democrats had their way. To take just one example: Democrats proposed creating a prescription-drug program as an alternative to the one Bush proposed that would have cost a projected $800 billion over 10 years. The Bush prescription-drug law was originally expected to cost half that amount — and today it costs a third less than initial projections because it uses market forces to drive prices down.

    Ask your local coal industry how much he really cares. And no budget during his term.

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  • By ASDpayer, August 29, 2012 @ 12:29 PM

    @ Scott

    1. I read the interview with the miners, some of them said that there boss told them to show up or be fired. The mine was not open that day and so they did a day without pay. The mine owner is a Romney supporter. Did Romney orchestrate this. Probably not. It happens on both sides.
    2. Solyndra was an unfortunate loss. But not sure why Obama gets the blame. The program on clean energy loans was started in the Bush administration. Like many SBA loans it went bad. That happens.
    3. The last three Republican Presidents said they would cut government spending. Reagan, Bush, Bush. It didn’t happen. Under Reagan it increased by 30%. The last Bush by 18%.
    It would help Romney’s case if he told us where he was going to cut. He did mention PBS, and National Endowment for the Humanities, but that barely gets us to 1 billion dollars. I would like to see specifics. If he could make a clear case, it might make more sense than generalities.
    Ms. McKee’s editorial was without hype, yelp or outlandish statements. A good job of explaining her views that were original and not repetitions of something said on extreme radio.

  • By dangil, August 29, 2012 @ 3:46 PM

    Dear Saundra:

    I will address several of your points sequentially:

    1. The Children. The greatest threat to my five children and now one grandchild is not increased class sizes or a reliance on testing to have some form of accountability for unionized teachers. No, that threat arises from the massive debt we have been accumulating since the Kennedy administration and which now threatens to overwhelm our federal budget and our ability to sustain economic growth. Frankly, I am tired of subsidizing current spending and our own lifestyles at the expense, and to the detriment, of my kids. Ryan’s plan is a very modest attempt to deal with this issue, but at least he has a plan. Obama offers nothing but trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see in budgets that even Senators from his own party will not support.

    With regard to education initiatives, I am not aware that Obama has made much if any attempt to change No Child Left Behind. I am aware that he opposes vouchers and has turned the Department of Justice loose to investigate schools that administer discipline in a way that results in discipline being administered to black children more frequently than their percentage of the school population would suggest. How either of these positions will help The Children is not clear.

    2. Medicare and Social Security. The Trustees and actuaries of both programs say that they are approaching bankruptcy. Therefore, to ignore the problem, as Democrats do, does not “protect” those programs; it assures their demise. Had Social Security been privatized some years ago, and had it enjoyed the same success as the privatized Chilean system, our retiring senior citizens might actually have some savings to rely upon, rather than the empty “lock box” which has been plundered by the federal government.

    Obamacare is not just imperfect. If implemented it will be a disaster. Millions of people will be added to a Medicaid program that is a poster child for fraud, waste and abuse and which, according to a University of Virginia study, actually results in worse outcomes than having no coverage at all. 20% of employers are considering dropping health insurance and throwing their employees onto the tender mercies of the exchanges. Because of the high cost of even subsidized premiums and the absence of any preexisting condition limitation, many of those previously insured employees will not purchase insurance until they become ill. This will cause the inusred base to be smaller and sicker, so premiums will increase even further and more employers will drop coverage. Disregarding folks added to the truly awful Medicaid program, Obamacare will almost certainly result in fewer, not more, people having coverage. AARP supported it because, like big Pharma it was bought off by Obama through the elimination of Medicare Advantage, a major competitor of AARP’s Medigap policies, and the exemption of AARP’s Medigap policies from federal premium increase reviews.

    3. Iraq and Afghanistan. When Obama took office, we had already completed combat operations in Iraq. All that Obama had to do was negotiate a status of forces agreement with the new Iraqi government. This he failed to do to our detriment and the betterment of the interests of the Islamic Republic of Iran. He has not “worked to get us out of Afghanistan.” To the contrary he has increased our presence there and then assured our defeat by announcing our departure date.

    4. Romney’s Dog. Having spent several days and 1500 miles in the back seat of a small car with an 80 pound dog when I was a child, I know I would have been happier, and I’m pretty sure the dog would have been happier, if the dog had been on the roof.

    5. Mormonism. Please demonstrate one instance in which Romney has allowed his faith to interfere with public policy. Did you have similar concerns when Jack Kennedy ran for President in 1960?

    6. Constitutional Scholar? Obama was a lecturer in Constitutional Law. He was not even a member of the full time faculty. To be a “scholar” normally requires that you do something scholarly, like do research and publish the results of that research. To my knowledge Obama has never published a scholarly work in the area of Constitutional law.

    7. Care for Others. Romney contributes 10% of his income to charity. Obama contributes less than 1% of his income to charity. Who is it that cares more for others?

    8. General Motors. It’s stock has declined by 50% in a bull market; and, based on the most recent estimate, the Treasury will lose more than $25 billion dollars on its investment in GM, or should I say in the UAW pension plan. GM would be a better, stronger company today if it had been allowed to go through a normal bankruptcy and shed itself of the inefficient workrules and outsized pension obligations that it had incurred through years of negotiations with the UAW.

    9. The Economy is Coming Back. Obama has given us the weakest recovery in 70 years. The Reagan recovery generated almost three times as many jobs per member of the workforce than has the Obama “recovery.” For the first time ever the number of people unemployed or actually out of the workforce has actually increased during a “recovery.”

  • By out&about, August 29, 2012 @ 3:55 PM

    I believe that to have an abortion is sin. This, however, is a theological issue not a political one. Your pastor, priest, bishop, etc should teach you what the Bible says about killing. What right does a politician have to force this personal issue? A liberal who believes as I do would not have an abortion. A conservative who believes as I do wants to outlaw abortions for everyone.

  • By lucky1, August 29, 2012 @ 5:12 PM

    Cart man, energy production is up under Obama. “We” don’t develop our oil resources, multinational corporations do. Once those multinational corporations take our resources out of the ground, it is their property to with it they please. Scott Starr, when did Obama talk to coal miners and they lost pay? I don’t hear Romney or the company willing to pay the coal miners for their lost wages. Sounds like Romney has declared war on coal miners.
    Hey, Romney has a yacht in Tampa and he is flying a Cayman Islands flag on it. So, the GOP nominee cannot fly an American flag on his yacht?!

  • By lucky1, August 29, 2012 @ 5:19 PM

    Ann Romney said Willard and her are regular people because in college when the twit and her were short on money, they were forced to sell stock his father gave him. Yes, that is really struggling. Willard is unbelievable. He was for the Vietnam until he realized he might have to fight, then he went to live in a villa in France to avoid it. The worst governor in the history of Massachusetts and he is the GOP nominee.

  • By sickofpayingforit, August 29, 2012 @ 9:24 PM

    I find some flaws with this:

    Asking teachers about class size is relevant, to a point. That is on par with asking a union busdriver if he could concentrate better with less passengers and more union bus drivers with more routes, or like asking a union airline pilot if they would be better off with smaller planes that required more pilots. Yes, some answers will be genuine, some will toe the line. I don’t really wish to be in a situation to pick and choose and typically relegate vested interest answers to the back pages of the mental decision-making journal I keep…….

    –The aged, sick and needy? UPMC or one of those medical-mafia’s that are making record profit’s off of selling life are predicting a 9% increase in premiums next year. Enough said.

    –General Motors. Others have said it and I have said it before. Capitalism works if you have the intestinal fortitude to watch the dying businesses flail around before finally retiring, permanently. Any form of help, or bailout, cheats the tax-paying citizen out of opportunity to have better, cheaper products from someone else who can do it better. The hallmark principle of capitalism.

    Finally, this isn’t racially or even politically motivated as I am not a party member nor what I would consider a racist, but I just get the feeling Obama is laughing at us while giving those speeches believing in his mind, he is that good at the podium and has us. This is just my feelings everytime I watch him change his cadence, emphasis, sentence structure and even his use of proper english when speaking to various different groups of differing demographics and situations. They can make fun of him all they want, but I will take a straight shooter like Bush ANYDAY over a smooth talker anyday. I just feel better about what they are saying………

  • By sickofpayingforit, August 29, 2012 @ 9:28 PM

    Oh, I forgot, high gas prices are not anyone’s fault but our government watchdogs. There are rules on the books to curb this rampant speculation, the true evil culprit behind the volatile oil industry, but the laws on the books typically don’t get enforced. I wonder if those PAC’s and lobbyists and their obscene budgets have anything to do with that?????????

  • By worthingtonman, August 30, 2012 @ 7:28 AM

    @ASDPayer

    Obama gets the blame for Solyndra because he was warned that Solyndra was a very bad investment.

  • By jerry6, August 30, 2012 @ 8:03 AM

    dangil:you might have been believable until you said it is okay to ride your dog on the roof of your car. Are you joking, or what? I have never heard of this before Romney did it or even in all of my traveling out of state, seen a dog on the roof of a car. Get real.

  • By taxpoor, August 30, 2012 @ 8:25 AM

    @ lucky 1 You are with out a doubt a true liberal. You all like to say we just quote talk radio but what are you doing.Your quoteing the liberal media . Energy productions up ? Yes in other countrys not the US. The whole fossil fuel industry is waiting to see If Obama gets realected before they invest anymore money. It cost more to produce any energy source now with increased EPA standards and new regulations imposed on the industry.Maybe your talking about the wind and solar energy program funded by the Obama adminastration AKA American WORKING tax payers. Four more years of Obama we will all be UNLUCY 1

  • By jorn jensen, August 30, 2012 @ 10:01 AM

    Well, I’ll predict that this editorial WILL HIT the max 135 posts where the system appears to shut down postings.

    Kudos to Saundra for stepping up and submitting the editorial. We’ve been asking for a liberal to submit an ediorial for quite a while – lucky1 wouldn’t do it. Also, again, thanks David for geting it in there qickly – fair and balanced.

    What lucky1 will do is call Mitt Romney, Mitt the Twit. Cute. How many are callng Obama, Obumma the Dumma (other than here, this one time)? At least give both of the candidates the respect that they deserve as a human being.

    I think Scott Starr struck a nerve with the statement, “3. Romney already stated that he will cut government spending, that is one reason to vote for him.” This statement can very well be at the core of this tight election – people benefitting from the government’s spending of other peoples’ money might well want that to continue and will vote for MORE government and MORE government spending – heading us further toward socialism. On the other hand, people that want less government, less government spending, more freedom and free enterprise will vote for Romney.

    Saundra’s 37 years in teaching – no attack here, but reality – those wages for that occupation came from taxpayers. Even if it was as a college professor, wages came from taxpayers, student loans, parent’s savings and whatever else(alumni associations, etc). So, with that background, it makes sense that Saundra’s view would be what it is – that we should all donate more to those sorts of things – ‘share the wealth’ – even to the point that those peoples’ benefits and wages are better than those paying for them.

    So, welcome dangil and dawfood to this posting effort. Great posts loaded with facts and data. You must be trying to confuse the left with facts and data. Sickofpayingforit – great post. Thank you for your posts.

    DaleReese 67- can you offer up something a little better than, “Batter up! Who’s first? Jorn, worthingtonman, …..” By the way, I was. I respect Saundra’s position and am impressed that she went through the effort to create the editorial. Were you able to get throuh the posts of dangil and dawgfood? Can you help jerry6 through those posts?

    I’ve stated this before and I’ll do it again, much to jerry6′s amusement. I require a president that acts presidential – with class. Obama’s jogging up or down helicopter or plane steps and flashing a ‘nothing’ salute is indicative of someone that has more important stuff to do than act like a leader. Must be appealing to youth? I’d like to see – step out slowly, grab the handrail with one hand, stop and wave, walk down the steps while holding the handrail and take the time to stop, throw a decent salute and then proceed walking and waving. Display some class. Show me something to have confidence in. Any of you heard the story and conversation of the old bull and the young bull standing atop a hill looking out over a field of cows? Not going to finish that one here, but, if you’ve heard it, you know the relationship of using the right energy for the right task.

  • By Nellybly14, August 30, 2012 @ 10:03 AM

    First I would like to thank all of you for your both positive and negative comments. That’s what freedom of speech and the press are all about. Space and time prevent me from responding to each one. I’m leaving for Salt Lake and a Mission/Learning trip where I will study Mormonism much more in depth. I did the same with Islam several years back. My views are no more valid than any of yours, but they are all mine. Very few of my views are derived from years of “liberal” university training. I have close friends and family members who are very conservative politically, and we do rant at each other from time to time. But we agree on other things like fishing and cooking. I think that most of our views and attitudes are formed very early. My dad, grandfather and uncles worked in the coal mines in this area and I was strongly influenced by the stories of the conditions they worked under and the treatment they received. My dad was a disabled vet who I’m sure suffered from PTS. He also loved FDR. FDR was called all kinds of leftist names during the 1930s for efforts to get us back on track. It took over a decade to get out of that economic mess and he had a Democratic Congress to work with. Today most folks would say he was a good President. His leadership elevated millions of people to dignity and worth. My mom was a teacher who made $98 a month to teach grades 1-4. She had to buy all her supplies from that salary and take care of the building too. She got me to church every Sunday and taught me to love God, my neighbor and judge not lest ye be judged. Living in Armstrong, Indiana, and Clarion counties most of my life, I know so many of what we call the working poor. In my opinion, they deserve as good a health care plan as a member of Congress. Many work long hours in dangerous jobs with no benefits. They put off treatment until its too late so as not to burden their family with bankruptcy. In this the greatest and richest nation on earth, that is just plain wrong. We need to roll up our sleeves and work together and not let petty politics continue to divide us. Saundra McKee

  • By Kittanning Lady, August 30, 2012 @ 11:23 AM

    just a question. I’ve been watching the Rep convention. They are focusing on Obama Care. If Mr.Romney gets elected repeals Obama Care, would this mean that the young students who are in college would loose their insurance coverage under their parents insurance until they are 26?Would this mean these students would loose their health insurance coverage? I know the colleges have a insurance plan that these students can purchase,but many can hardly afford college let alone health insurance.Just asking anyone?

  • By mark, August 30, 2012 @ 5:43 PM

    @dangil, your post was an extraordinary read.
    Ryans talk last night was uplifting. He comes across to me as a young, bright, moral, christian young man. Lucky1? Wadda you think? Does your VP excite you?

  • By dalereese67, August 30, 2012 @ 8:41 PM

    Jorn,

    I was simply doing exactly what was done in the comments after one of Bennett’s articles. Maybe batter up wasn’t used. It may have been who’s first? Remember that joking thing you claim to do once in a while?

    Any time I give you facts or a legitimate argument you go silent, so what’s the point?

    Haven’t you used nicknames for Obama? What does it matter anyways?

    Hope the exercises are going well.

  • By worthingtonman, August 30, 2012 @ 9:15 PM

    @kittanninglady

    Your children going to college stayed on your insurance till they were done with college. Now that is with all the insurances I know about. after your child gets out of college they are supposed to strike out on their own and support themselves. Obamacare is just keeping them on till they are 26. Most kids are done with college by 22. at 18 I struck out on my own and obtained my own insurance. That is part of being a adult. and is the case, it is those of us paying insurance policies that keep those kids on the insurance. Most employers offer individuals who do not Take their insurance from the company a buy out. so in the end it just adds up to another entitlement for individuals to lean on.

  • By Kittanning Lady, August 31, 2012 @ 5:13 AM

    @ worthingtonman, Thank you for the information.I did not know that the students could stay on their parents insurance while they were in college. Again, Thank You.

  • By jorn jensen, August 31, 2012 @ 6:25 AM

    dale reese – All I asked was “can’t you offer up someting a little better than….”. Don’t get your feathers ruffled. How about some comments on what dangil and dawgfood posted?

    NellyBly14 – With your family’s coal background, do you support our local coal industry?
    Congress and ‘we regulars’ having the same health care – I seem to hear a lot that congress has excluded itself, under this administration, from Obamacare. Wonder why that is?

    Good post August 30th – that post may slow down comments – may not hit the magic 135 number. I agree that we should work togther – studying posts on all of these politically-oriented articles, do you see that ever happening? I use the words idealism and realism Sure, there needs to be idealism to explore into the future, but there also needs to be a good dose of realism so that we don’t all go broke carrying many others that feel that they are entitled without having to lift a finger.
    Only capitalism can create wealth – end capialism and there will be no wealth to share.

  • By argosjourney, August 31, 2012 @ 6:33 AM

    @Kittanning Lady
    Kids in college right now cannot get the low cost offered college insurance. If their parents do not already have insurance they have no way of getting it at college. Now I have not investigated this fully, but at my son’s college we were specifically told because of “government regulations” ie; ObamaCare and the mess it has created, the colleges and universities can no longer afford nor are they allowed to offer the low cost insurance that they have in the past. We were told this would possibly not be resolved for several years. Thankfully we have insurance through my husbands work, but I worry about the kids whose parents do not have jobs that offer medical insurance.

  • By jerry6, August 31, 2012 @ 7:48 AM

    Jorn:Us democrats on this site must really get under your skin because you always mention us in your posts. You come across as a person who thinks they know the answer to any topic and knows more than any one else. You talk about respecting others but you sure don’t practice what you preach. Again, you missed your calling. You should have been a comedian instead of your present occupation.

  • By scott_starr, August 31, 2012 @ 9:29 AM

    @ASD payer

    RE: Solyndra

    I may have no sympathy on the solyndra thing.

    First, Soyndra blamed cheap panels for their downfall. Not entirely true if the concept of a solyndra panel is understood. I will not get into that here.

    Second, why invest $500 million on a panel and company which produces a product which is less than 10% efficient?.

    Third, the loan process was started under Bush, however the Department of Energy ( when Obama came in) decided not to proceed. Then suddenly it was approved…

    Fourth- the Solyndra plant was fully automated, and I mean fully. From the Warehouse through the production process. Admittedly this is second hand knowledge as one of my co-workers visited the plant. There were not a lot of jobs created with that investment.

    Fifth- Solyndra claimed that the panels would be 12-15% efficient, still bad, but in my opinion still not worthy of an investment.

    Sixth- if u take the $500 million and divide that by the 1100 jobs lost due to the bankruptcy, the cost is $454,000 per job lost…. Not a good return.

    Imagine the jobs which would have been created by investing that $500 Million in Natrual Gas or Oil production domestically ?

  • By worthingtonman, August 31, 2012 @ 10:53 AM

    @dalereese67

    I have said it before and I will say it again. Liberals are the name callers. Their favorites are racist and liar. Read the comment section and you will see. Oh and I must mention something I read today. According to Chris Matthews, who I might add has the worst ratings in cable news shows, has declared that if a white man uses the word Chicago in referencinng Obamas campaign, he is now be racist.

  • By lucky1, August 31, 2012 @ 6:46 PM

    The name Mitt the Twit was given to by the British press after his disastrous foreign tour in which he upset almost everyone he came into contact with overseas. Foreign business leaders by a wide margin prefer Obama over Romney. Do a simple Internet search and you will find out energy production is up in the US. Jorn, pretty weak argument you are trying to make for Obama showing he has the energy to be President. Maybe he should just lounge on a yacht with the Cayman Island flag on it like Romney or talk to furniture like senile 82 year olds do at the GOP convention.

  • By lucky1, September 1, 2012 @ 10:20 AM

    The latest lie from Paul Ryan is that he claimed he ran a sub three hour marathon. When Runner’s World investigated the claim, they could find absolutely no proof of it. Ryan has now stated he lied about the time and he ran it in four hours. Can the GOP VP nominee be honest about anything?

  • By mark, September 2, 2012 @ 1:46 PM

    @ Lucky1, c`mon. Senile 82 year old. I thot he was HI larious! Most viewers I spoke with loved it. I think Clint is a very hard working, repectable, no- BS guy. For a Holly-wooder, that`s rare. Paul Ryan absolutely nailed it at the convention. Can`t wait to hear your guys this week. Bet there won`t be any lies told there! Gonna tape it for my grandkids to watch when they grow up. When they ask, “Pappy, who elected this guy?” I`ll say Lucky1 and his friends.

  • By dalereese67, September 2, 2012 @ 2:49 PM

    Jorn,

    Why should I have to answer any question of yours (well technically you didn’t think of them anyways) when you’ve never answered anything I’ve asked you?

    I’m still waiting to hear your thoughts on probably more than a half dozen baseless comments that you’ve made and I’ve questioned.

  • By JornJensen, September 2, 2012 @ 9:13 PM

    Oh, so Dale Resse, you have nothing to say about dawgfood’s and dangil’s posts? Didn’t think you would.

  • By JornJensen, September 2, 2012 @ 9:19 PM

    Scott – This administration is anti-fossil and pro-wind and solar. Small chance they’d invest their solar and wind give-away money in oil, gas or coal!

  • By JornJensen, September 2, 2012 @ 9:27 PM

    Worthingtonman – Your post of August 28th – I agree, buy as Ford.

  • By JornJensen, September 2, 2012 @ 9:37 PM

    Ohhh, wasn’t finished with my post – dern! Back when the big three flew into DC in their carbon-spewing jets to meet with the country’s chief executive, two of them signed up (and eventually lost their jobs to some non-automotive ‘czar’) and one left the bargaining table – Mulally (SP?), CEO of Ford, said , “No thanks!” and packed up his stuff and left – got on the jet and flew back to Detroit. The only sales mistake that I see that Mulally made was that he should have driven to DC in some Eco-friendly corn burner and back the same way. That logic goes back to the days of NASCAR when you could tell the brand that won – there was a slogan – ‘Win on Sunday, sell cars on Monday!’ Had Mulally done that, he’d have sold a pile more cars when he got back to Detroit. But, those high-end peoples’ time is worth so much, that all the hours of driving might be considered a waste of time – but is it if you sell 100,000 cars on Monday?

  • By lucky1, September 3, 2012 @ 6:19 PM

    It has come out that Romney ignored advice not to select Ryan as his running mate since he has a history of “exaggerating” whenever and wherever he speaks. We have a GOP presidential candidate who lacks common sense and a VP candidate who is a liar. Hey, how about Mitt the Twit’s yacht with the flag of the Cayman Islands on it? Did you hear Paul Ryan went golfing with Kim Jong Il when he was alive and they shot holes in one for all 18 holes?

  • By lucky1, September 3, 2012 @ 9:10 PM

    Drip, drip, drip…. More of the media is coming out and saying Romney and Ryan are liars without using the word liar. I will say it and keep saying it, both of those guys are liars.

  • By JornJensen, September 4, 2012 @ 7:19 AM

    Five topics you won’t hear about at the democratic national convention:

    1) THE NATIONAL DEBT – there will not be a national debt clock hovering around the DNC site. Currently approaching $16 trillion. And, at the current rate of debt growth, debt to GDP will be 200% of GDP by 2030. That certainly is headed in the wrong direction.

    2. THE REAL UNEMPLOYMENT RATE – currently stated at over 8% with no help from the $1 trillion stimulus. The REAL unemployment rate with 23 million UNemployed and UNDERemployed, plus those who have stopped looking is at 14.9%! Also, 4 million people added to social security disability program during Obama’s presidency.

    3) GAS PRICES – Was $1.95 average when Obama took office, somewhere around $3.79 now. Obama’s team spent $1 billion on failed green jobs programs. This president is focused on making the Chevy Volt viable rather than allowing the Keystone XL pipeline and lowering gas and energy prices for Americans.

    4) MORE THAN 1/3 OF AMERICANS ARE ON GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE. The culture of dependency brought to you by president Obama – the progressive utopia. Obamacare and the recent gutting of the work requirement for welfare recipients took this dependency from 25% to 33%.

    5) THE FEDERAL JOBS CREATED – 150,000 new unionized federal jobs created under president Obama. Thousands of new people to manage Obamacare under the IRS and the Department of Health and Human Services. Average salary of a federal worker is $70,000 plus benefits. Like paying for that?

    So folks, do you see a problem here or not? We MUST defeat Obama this fall and get the train on the right track!

  • By unclbuck, September 4, 2012 @ 8:03 AM

    realize that all the hot air on these sites are the easy way out. none of you ever attend your local meetings to change your local government.question why 12 bussiness in worthington school do not pay property tax. call the tax office. local government sold the complex in august 2010 and still no property tax. who bought it, where did all gas lease mo ney go. in excess of 36,000 rumor has it. these are things you can start with to straighten out local government.

  • By scott_starr, September 4, 2012 @ 9:23 AM

    @luckyone
    since Foreigners love Obama so much, please tell him to abdicate his presidency and take a job at the United Nations.

    Funny, I thought Obama was running for President of the United States, didn’t know we had to vett candidates through the foreign press.

    Ok, Paul Ryan may have exaggerated his run time, but at least he did not claim to “create the internet” like AlGore.

  • By worthingtonman, September 4, 2012 @ 9:28 AM

    As I listened to the democrats try to convince us that we are better off now than what we were when obama took office, I come back to these three facts. When obama took office, gas was 1.95 a gallon. Now 3.83 a gallon. Median family income was 54, 983, now it is 50,964. Unemployment was 7.8% now it is 8.3%. Now I know that Dalereese has flourished handsomely over the last four years, but what about the rest of America?

  • By dalereese67, September 4, 2012 @ 12:44 PM

    Jorn,

    I didn’t even read their posts to be honest with you.

    I’ve told you before, I will answer your questions when you answer any of my previous questions that have gone unanswered.

    Is that really that hard of a concept to grasp?
    Go back and read that slowly if necessary.

  • By dalereese67, September 4, 2012 @ 1:00 PM

    Worthingtonman,

    I’m supposed to care about Chris Matthews and his ratings why?

    So you’re saying no Republicans have uttered a single racial slur, called anyone a retard, made a derogatory reference to anyone of a non-christian denomination, or made fun of any lower income citizen during this election year?

  • By JornJensen, September 5, 2012 @ 8:54 AM

    dalereese67 – What’s the matter? Too much information in dangil’s and dawgfood’s posts for you to grasp? Why don’t you contribute more to this site than being hung up on me? Did you grasp the 5 topics that will not be discussed at the DNC?
    You are the most hopeless of liberals – one that hides their liberalism.

  • By dalereese67, September 5, 2012 @ 11:18 AM

    Worthingtonman,

    Your 9:28 am post was taken directly from a picture that’s been floating around facebook the past couple days. This site is slowly becoming a copy and paste war of other peoples ideas/ quotes. So much for intelligent debate as Jorn requests.

    By the way, gas was over $4 a gallon in the June or July before Obama took office and slowly receded down to your number right at election time and rose up not long after. If you look it up, this was our highest gas price ever on record (even higher than this past summer under Obama’s tenure).

  • By worthingtonman, September 5, 2012 @ 1:10 PM

    @dalereese67

    Can you ever defend instead of trying to humiliate. You sir are clutching at straws and quite frankly have made me tired. At least some of the other liberals on here can try to answer and not deflect. Again congrats on your booming economy. The rest of us will live in the real world. You spend all your energy slamming Jorn and myself. I have officially put you on the not worthy of my comment list. Good luck in November! you are gonna need it.

  • By lucky1, September 5, 2012 @ 8:18 PM

    The first month of Obama’s presidency, the US was losing about 750,000 jobs. Last month, we added 163,000 jobs. When Obama took office, the Dow was less than 7000. Now, it is over 13,000. Pretty remarkable turnaround.
    When Obama took office, we were not looking for bin Laden. Now, bin Laden’s body is at the bottom of the ocean. When Obama took office, the American auto industry was on life support and fading fast. Now, it is thriving.
    Ryan is now admitting he simply made up his marathon time. What else has he simply made up? Oh, yeah, and he was against Obamacare until he requested Obamacare money for his district in Wisconsin. Paul Ryan, I know this is hard to say, is worse than Sarah Palin. Wonder how much money Mitt Romney has in his Swiss and Cayman Island bank accounts. I know Obama believes in America by keeping his money in America.

  • By lucky1, September 5, 2012 @ 8:24 PM

    scott starr, I did not know Al Gore was running for President or Vice President. Nice deflection, but a total fail. Now, Ryan is claiming to have scaled at least 40 mountains over 14,000 feet each. The guy is a total liar.
    I cannot take credit for the following, but this perfectly describes Paul Ryan.
    “Paul Ryan even know what a mountain looks like? Is Paul Ryan even a congressman? Paul Ryan is now the guy from your high school who said he ran a 4.5 40 but didn’t want to go out for the team because he pulled his hammy. Paul Ryan is the guy from your work who told you he played D1 ball but seems suspiciously short and out of shape. Paul Ryan is the guy at the bar who keeps telling you he could “probably” beat Usain Bolt in a race, “if I was in better shape.” Paul Ryan’s ex-girlfriend looked like a cross between Lindsay Lohan and Katherine Heigel. Paul Ryan was at the very first Train show. Paul Ryan once took on three guys in a fight and won. Paul Ryan’s dad has a go-kart track in his attic but he locks it when other kids come over because he doesn’t want to get sued.”

  • By mark, September 5, 2012 @ 11:30 PM

    @ lucky1, We read a lot of your posts on here. Do we believe you? Maybe some do, some don`t. Now I want you to think about this… what is the difference between what you say and what a politician says?

    All the things Ryan claims to have done, I`ve done. believe me? Am I a liar? How can you prove I`m a liar or not? Hmm?

    I`m gonna be honest here. I as an american am sick of hearing politicians talk, lie, brag or whatever else they do. Either party it doesn`t matter, they`re all blood suckers. We as voters are responsible for this crisis in the US as we were apathetic for too long. Politicians fed off of that. I don`t know what else to do but vote my heart. We should all do the same and let the chips fall and pray, and yes lucky1 I pray, that we come out of this f-in mess someday.

    And last, I am sick of listening to lying politicians and I`m sick of listening to you.

    But maybe I`m a liar too. Not…

  • By JornJensen, September 6, 2012 @ 8:16 AM

    Good post worthinngtonman (1:10 PM, Sept 5). You hit the nail on the head. Dale Reese wonders why others on here won’t take him/her seriously.

    Lucky1 – Pure liberal spinology 8:18 PM Sept 5th. Regarding your first paragraph, business and industry can only sit on cash for so long. Can’t wait 4 years for you and Obama to make something happen. Plus, many businesses are doing business outside the United States and are thriving without any help from you and Obama. If you have a roadblock, you find a way around it.

    Those 163,000 jobs – how many are government union jobs that we taxpayers pay for? Let’s be clear here and stop the spinology. Read my point 5, above, in my post of 7:19 AM Sept 4th. My source for that information stated 150,000 new government jobs – let’s see, 163,000 minus 150,000 equals 13,000 ‘other’ jobs? Wow, that’s a real boom. 13,000 people can pay the taxes to help support 150,000 new government jobs! There’s a real future in that.

    The American auto industry is thriving? GM is still on life support, courtesy of us taxpayers as you and Obama try to pour juice into the batteries of the Volt. Fact is, you and Obama turned the company over to the autoworker’s union. How will that work out?

    Your Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney dribble is just that – dribble.

    STOP THE WAR ON COAL AND REAL WORK – FIRE OBAMA!

    I’m finished with this editorial. Saundra hasn’t answered my question regarding “do you support our local coal industry?”. I don’t care to see, in the right-hand column, my name next to 5 reasons why someone would vote for Obama – I certainly never would – I’d vote for an American. Time for a new story to post to.

  • By wakeup, September 6, 2012 @ 9:08 AM

    Lucky1 – Ryan made a Gaffe, so has Biden and President Obama. You put someone on the campaign trail and ask them to speak day in day out for months on end and guess what, they will mis speak. It happens on both sides of the aisle and it makes them human. I have never made a big deal about Obama’s 57 states or Biden’s many many statements because they all simply misspoke. Just as Ryan did about his Marathon time.

    You seem to want to make blanket statements with no desire to defend them with facts or engage in a meaningful debate that would help move this country forward. You are extremely partisan and only wish to regurgitate the party talking points. That is your choice as an American but it does nothing to solve the issues we face. The answer is not on the Democrat side nor the Republican side but in the MIDDLE. It takes meaningful debate, hard work and leaders to find this common ground, not party before country mentality as you clearly believe in.

    IT IS A ONE TERM PROPOSITION for any elected official until they start fixing problems and working together versus trying to gain power and line their pockets. That goes for either party including House Republicans, Senate Democrats and our President who has FAILED to bridge the gap as a leader. We can sit here and watch them all justify there positions by pointing fingers or we can tell them all…………….NEXT!!!

    Within a couple terms they will start getting the point….COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!!!!!

  • By scott_starr, September 6, 2012 @ 9:24 AM

    @lucky1
    your true colors are clear as day now, it seemed before you just liked to get peoples goat.

    However, saying that the USA was not looking for Bin Laden until Obama came in office is just an out and out lie….. U don’t remember your Democrat buddies asking why we couldn’t find him?

    Drinking the Kool-Aid does not help the country one bit. ( and also name ONE policy of Obama which caused the Dow to go up).

    I was going to watch some of the DNC convention, but decided to watch the season premiere of Ghost Hunters because :

    1. Both have people looking for stuff that doesn’t exist
    2. Both have people using the wrong tools for the wrong job
    3. both have people drawing illogical and incoherent conclusions based on things that fit their distorted world view.
    4. Both have people who think they are helping others when in fact they are merely feeding a pathology .
    5. Both will say and do anything to get some TV airtime.

    By watching Ghost Hunters, I did, by proxy watch the DNC Convention.

  • By worthingtonman, September 6, 2012 @ 10:33 AM

    I can honestly say that if McCain would have gotten elected last election and this mess was still here, I would have definitely gone a different way in the Primary and tried to replace him. Maybe the Dems should have ran a primary. A lot of the dems at the convention are godless souls and they shown their true colors with the fit they through just having god in their platform. I guess it was just more important to have the government fund abortions.

  • By dalereese67, September 6, 2012 @ 12:42 PM

    Jorn/ Worthingtownman,

    I’m just giving back what I’ve been receiving from you two. Like you’ve been told before here; you guys can dish it out, but you definately cannot take it.

    Jorn never responded to any of my questions, so why should I give him this courtesy?

    I’m tired of being asked to defend my position on arguments that neither of you took the time to think of yourselves. You’re either being lazy or can’t come up with logical points on your own. What’s the point of a copy and paste argument?

    If people here wanted to hear the latest propaganda from either party, they can just “goggle” it.

  • By csmp, September 6, 2012 @ 12:50 PM

    Everyone it is this simple… Right or left they are the same. different talking points same result. Until we, as Americans, wake up to this we will be in the same mess. We as humans need to start thinking in terms of morality. I am not perfect, never will be, but I do know stealing is wrong, even if the money stolen from me goes to helping others. We all should have a choice on where our money is spent as individuals. Follow the money wherever you may, but ending the Fed is what needs to be done, that is where the trail gets really hot. I have been reading these comments for a long time and it is a nice view of the apathy of the whole country. We need to break the left-right and concentrate on who is really in control and take that power back and give it to the people. I can tell that most on here do care, they might even care more than most, but I really feel, and this is only opinion, there is no difference between democrat and republican and we as people need to rise up and be American. A True Call To Action!

  • By dalereese67, September 6, 2012 @ 2:19 PM

    Scott,

    Your items 1-5 can be said of both conventions to be honest.

  • By dalereese67, September 6, 2012 @ 2:48 PM

    Jorn,

    Good job on your comment 9/6 8:16am. Perfect example of the copy/pasting and referring to everyone else’s thoughts that I mentioned this morning.

    Nobody had a comment on the record gas price. Shocker. Can anyone explain the $4.21 high under Bush and his > $3 a gallon avg his second term? You can’t say he “fixed” this before he left office. The economy was tanking and you know what less demand does to pricing.

    Mark, your 3rd paragraph, first 3 sentences. Thumbs up, you get it.

  • By worthingtonman, September 6, 2012 @ 5:20 PM

    well there you go folks. apparently we should just make up stuff now instead of sharing views that we read about it. I’ll start if off for Dale. Obama wants us to give him all of our red haired a children so they can be made into Zombies!

  • By sickofpayingforit, September 7, 2012 @ 12:55 AM

    The party conventions are little more than pep rallies for the wealthy, and others who want to be “part of something.” All worthless rhetoric, with dialogue, and very trite personal attacks, that very closely resembles two groups of rival 12 year old girls.

    I am about sick of this election already to be totally honest. The winners, no matter who wins, will be the bog money. The losers, all of us typing on here, that work for a living. The only difference will be how they describe how they are continuing to tip the balance of wealth dangerously towards the wealthy. Revolutions start over stuff like this, history has shown…….

  • By dalereese67, September 7, 2012 @ 8:40 AM

    Sharing views and passing them off as your own are completely different things. How is it useful to copy and paste something here without fully understanding it?

    If you’re going to plagiarize, at least cite your source. There’s no need to get so worked up Worthingtonman.

  • By player24, September 7, 2012 @ 2:10 PM

    Nothing is worse than grown-ups fighting over politics online. I would rather listen to Fran Drescher talk for 8 hours than fight about politics on a comment board.

  • By mark, September 7, 2012 @ 6:35 PM

    @ Dalereese67, I think many will agree to those 3 lines. Stumped why you don`t agree with any more lines but that`s OK. I do wonder why, agreeing with those lines, you strongly defend obama. He falls into that statement.
    It`s a shame we have only these two, or 4 counting vp`s, to choose from. This country has thousands of great men and women who are leaders. But our f-ed up system and MONEY prohibit them from ever reaching the podium. So….we have Moe and Larry to choose from. Wonder where Curly is? And Schemp?
    I don`t want to give Obama another chance. He had one. Many great presidents only had 1 term and did great things. I wanna flush and give another a shot. We are at an impass where there is little time left to turn things around so that we as citizens can stay in the comfort we enjoy. And by that I mean living in the most free and powerful country that has ever been! We are losing that status ya know… Thank you.

  • By forward, September 8, 2012 @ 9:26 PM

    I really wish the Kittanning Paper would stick to it’s ” all local all the time ” moniker and leave the Jack Bennett ( and anyone elses ) opinions on national politics, and the endless debates that it brings behind. This is not the mission of the local paper according to David Croyle.
    You all might as well realize that peoples political views are influenced by a lifetime of experiences and opinions. The odds of any of you changing another’s opinions, or who they will ultimately vote for, based on a message board argument are just about nil. You might as well all get together in good spirits, enjoy the beverage of your choice, and sing Kumbaya while roasting marshmallows around a campfire. All this bickering is really a waste of your time, of course it is your time to waste, so do as you please.
    I think there is enough going on locally to argue about and the KP would do well to try to pry, if necessary, some more news out of the County government. Surely our commissioners are doing more than just making a small splash in the paper every 10 weeks or so. At least let’s hope they are.
    So KP take a trip to the courthouse and see what Rich, Two Job Bob, and Butt-aglia are up to a little more often ‘eh? And Jack, maybe you could accompany them.
    All Local All The Time.

  • By mark, September 9, 2012 @ 9:15 PM

    @ forward. Federal issues are just as, if not more, important to us at this time.If you feel it`s a waste of your time,take your time and go to the courthouse and report back for us. I for one would be anxious to hear from you.I hope you don`t feel I am bickering with you as I`m not. Thank you.

  • By forward, September 12, 2012 @ 7:19 PM

    Mark,
    Though I explained my point, you apparently didn’t understand.
    I never said federal issues are not important just that they are not LOCAL. The courthouse is.
    I never said it was a waste of MY time, rather that it is a waste of those peoples time who are arguing about these presidential politics with nary a chance of changing each others view. That includes you. I did however say that ” It is your time to waste, so do as you please “. Perhaps you missed that.
    You may be upset that I mentioned your hero Jack Bennett. But while he is worrying about the muslims…( Some of whom are good ones and some of whom he is friends with ) ….and whether Obama is going to get elected, we are paying nearly $ 200,000 a year, NOT counting benefits, to 3 commissioners who have only been in the paper for tossing around a pharmacy contract and posing for a picture at the train station.
    Hence my statement that Let’s hope there is more going on there than that, and hence my suggestion that perhaps the Kittanning Paper and/or Jack Bennett could try to find out what else might be going on there.
    As to your futile comment that I go to the courthouse and do it myself. I don’t have a newspaper and I am not a reporter, If I did have a paper and called it an ALL LOCAL all the time paper I certainly would be there.
    If however YOU, would like to go to my place of employment and put in a couple midnight shifts for ME, then go to my place and take care of my 6 acres of property, help remodel my garage, take the kids to wherever they need to go, help with the dishes, laundry and house cleaning, thereby freeing up some of my time , I’d be glad to.
    Now to reiterate my point……It’s Not that it’s not IMPORTANT, it’s just that it’s Not local.
    Everyone else seemed to understand that.
    Oh, and Your issues are not important to me at this time. I hope you don’t think I am bickering with you.

  • By mark, September 14, 2012 @ 10:57 AM

    @ forward, Yes, I understand your statements.The KP has been posting comments on “Larger than local” issues since it`s beginning. Changing opinions isn`t gonna happen I agree, but posting opinions is this site`s purpose. I`ve known Jack for 40 years and haven`t seen him for 35 hence not my hero. You should know if you read my posts the type of people I do admire. Working people who don`t suck off our system, people who at least try to follow the 10 commandments, compassionate people who think of others, logical people who use their brains before their keyboards, and lastly people with some self esteem and morals. My parents worked very hard to instill all these qualities in their children. Succeeded with some but not all. Most parents did in that era.
    I,not unlike yourself, work more now than when I was raising my 4 kids and that wasn`t my plan but it is our governments so that the “boofers” can receive their entitlements that they “deserve”. Agreed county is just as bad as federal, no argument there, and let`s not forget the boros and townships that are building new this and that. The US is broke. The state is broke. The countys are broke. I can`t stop the flow of the river but I am trying to simply navigate it.
    The KP has been doing something in Kittg that was never done before and my hat is tipped to them. Give them some slack before they have a meeting and say screw these people and lock the door.
    Yes these are my issues and I`ll bet they are important to someone, if not you. If not for the KP, we wouldn`t have been able to have this discussion. Thank you.

  • By forward, September 19, 2012 @ 9:26 PM

    mark, if you mean by your statement that …” the kp has been posting comments on ” Larger Than Local ” issues since it’s beginning ” ….that the paper has been running national or world articles then you are wrong. You people who comment have turned articles on local things into larger things by bringing your political views into even the most local issues.
    Otherwise you seem to finally understand, and sort of agree with me, well done!
    As to your praise of the KP it is well deserved and I was in no way insulting this paper as should have been evident. I gave great thought to the wording of my Sept. 8th comment to try to be perfectly clear and to not hurt anyone’s feelings, even suggesting a little peace, love, and understanding among you arguers. It just makes sense that there’d be one of you to come forth and try to twist my words into something else and thereby bring me into the fray.
    Like a guy I knew used to say ” Ahh, There’s one in every crowd ! ”
    And there’s also little chance of the KP saying ” screw these people ” and locking the door as you mentioned. Did you ever notice how many ads are in this paper ? or on this site? As long as this paper pays for itself and/or makes money there’ll be no screwing or locking going on. If nothing else this paper could be sold!
    If you’ve known Jack Bennett for 40 years as you say and have not seen him in 35 years, you must not get out much. The man is everywhere.
    And just to further give the KP props so that there is no further misunderstanding of my comments or having anyone thinking I am saying anything bad about it I’ll offer up this. At some time in the not too distant past I placed an ad in the KP for an item I had for sale. The response was every bit as good as, or possibly even better than any ad I ever placed in that ” equine themed ” publication and my item was sold in no time.
    There that should just about cover this issue, even for you, for the third time. Thank You……

  • By mark, September 26, 2012 @ 3:29 PM

    @ forward, no I`m not wrong as I said what I said, not what you assumed I said.
    And we agree on what, you didn`t say what statementI made you agree with. Hoping it`s the people I admire.
    Haven`t seen Jack as all I do is work and go home and work. That is what needs changed.
    As for the third time, they say it`s a charm.
    Sorry for the delayed reply but haven`t been on the site for a bit. Needed to get away from it and chill.
    And, you`re welcome.

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