Comments on: Lenape Keeps Full-Day Program, Adds Half-Day As Option http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:19:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: elderman http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055/comment-page-1#comment-621 elderman Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:45:29 +0000 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/?p=5055#comment-621 Reply to Jan: The full day costs vs half day costs is indeed an interesting theory and one that I at first considered, as I indicated in my posting. But I discounted that being the case as I think that at least Ms. Taylor is smart enough not to commit such an egregious error and seems competent enough to follow simple directions. No, I am relatively confident that at the end of a grueling work session, Dr. Kerr probably took off his glasses to rest his eyes and committed the math error that I mentioned in my previous posting. Again, the 4 and the 9 look similar on todays small calculator screens and I think that is what happened. And again, it could happen to anyone; I do not advocate crucifying the man for his mistake. But I do think he and Ms Taylor owe it to the ASD taxpayers to clear this up and get the true numbers out there. Hey, simple math errors are a part of life; For example: Can you always balance your checkbook at the end of the month or do you have to get someone do it for you? Come on, be honest, there is no shame in admitting it! Reply to Jan: The full day costs vs half day costs is indeed an interesting theory and one that I at first considered, as I indicated in my posting. But I discounted that being the case as I think that at least Ms. Taylor is smart enough not to commit such an egregious error and seems competent enough to follow simple directions. No, I am relatively confident that at the end of a grueling work session, Dr. Kerr probably took off his glasses to rest his eyes and committed the math error that I mentioned in my previous posting. Again, the 4 and the 9 look similar on todays small calculator screens and I think that is what happened. And again, it could happen to anyone; I do not advocate crucifying the man for his mistake. But I do think he and Ms Taylor owe it to the ASD taxpayers to clear this up and get the true numbers out there. Hey, simple math errors are a part of life; For example: Can you always balance your checkbook at the end of the month or do you have to get someone do it for you? Come on, be honest, there is no shame in admitting it!

]]> By: Jan http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055/comment-page-1#comment-618 Jan Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:05:45 +0000 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/?p=5055#comment-618 Elderman, your assumptions may be correct. When calculating the cost per student at Lenape for a half day session, they also included the cost per student when they returned to home school- hence the projected cost. So while Parkway, and the other vocational schools came in lower, these numbers only reflected that part of a cost per student, and not the cost for both vocational and sending school costs. I doubt that Lenape's costs are any higher than most vocational programs. Elderman, your assumptions may be correct. When calculating the cost per student at Lenape for a half day session, they also included the cost per student when they returned to home school- hence the projected cost. So while Parkway, and the other vocational schools came in lower, these numbers only reflected that part of a cost per student, and not the cost for both vocational and sending school costs. I doubt that Lenape’s costs are any higher than most vocational programs.

]]> By: elderman http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055/comment-page-1#comment-616 elderman Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:13:36 +0000 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/?p=5055#comment-616 Reply to all: I think I have the answer as to why Lenape’s half day cost was estimated to be almost twice as high as Apollo Ridge calculated and also nearly twice as high as other local vo-tech schools (and it has nothing to do with walking around the building and looking at what they have.) At first, I thought that perhaps Taylor/Kerr did not understand what they were asked to include in their estimate; that they may have thought that in addition to the Lenape half day cost, they were asked to include the remainder of the day’s cost at the home school as well. That would nearly double the Apollo Ridge estimate so that may be what they did. But what I really think happened is simply that when they were doing their final tally, Dr. Kerr entered into his calculator and added what should have been a 4 plus 2 in the leftmost column, but mistakenly punched in 9 plus 2. The 4 plus 2 in the leftmost column would have yielded a half day cost of $6380 which would be in line with the Apollo Ridge estimate and also the half day costs at other local vo-tech schools. But when he mistakenly added 9 plus 2 he got the erroneous $11380 figure. This appears to be an innocent mistake that could happen to anyone. On a small calculator screen a 4 and a 9 look so much alike as to be almost indistinguishable. I urge him to review his calculation and make the necessary corrections. Reply to all: I think I have the answer as to why Lenape’s half day cost was estimated to be almost twice as high as Apollo Ridge calculated and also nearly twice as high as other local vo-tech schools (and it has nothing to do with walking around the building and looking at what they have.) At first, I thought that perhaps Taylor/Kerr did not understand what they were asked to include in their estimate; that they may have thought that in addition to the Lenape half day cost, they were asked to include the remainder of the day’s cost at the home school as well. That would nearly double the Apollo Ridge estimate so that may be what they did. But what I really think happened is simply that when they were doing their final tally, Dr. Kerr entered into his calculator and added what should have been a 4 plus 2 in the leftmost column, but mistakenly punched in 9 plus 2. The 4 plus 2 in the leftmost column would have yielded a half day cost of $6380 which would be in line with the Apollo Ridge estimate and also the half day costs at other local vo-tech schools. But when he mistakenly added 9 plus 2 he got the erroneous $11380 figure. This appears to be an innocent mistake that could happen to anyone. On a small calculator screen a 4 and a 9 look so much alike as to be almost indistinguishable. I urge him to review his calculation and make the necessary corrections.

]]> By: DANBOY http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055/comment-page-1#comment-615 DANBOY Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:34:55 +0000 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/?p=5055#comment-615 Thank you CC I gess I an not as matture as somme. LOOKS LIKE I MAY HAVE HIT A NERVE. Thank you CC I gess I an not as matture as somme. LOOKS LIKE I MAY HAVE HIT A NERVE.

]]> By: JohnK http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055/comment-page-1#comment-614 JohnK Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:18:56 +0000 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/?p=5055#comment-614 Concerned citizen, Is this a spelling bee? Do we need to start throwing out your many faults? Shouldn't you be patching your crumbling school instead of being the spelling police? Concerned citizen,
Is this a spelling bee? Do we need to start throwing out your many faults?
Shouldn’t you be patching your crumbling school instead of being the spelling police?

]]> By: Jen16226 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055/comment-page-1#comment-612 Jen16226 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:14:43 +0000 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/?p=5055#comment-612 Wow Elderman. That was a pretty closed minded remark: I ask that you do this without revealing my identity as many of the people I address I have absolutely no wish to communicate with outside these postings. Thank you Other than the comments on here, what do you know about the people posting on here? That is what makes our lives enriched.....not everyone will have the same opinion with any given matter, the way they raise their kids, the way they do a job,the religion they practice, the amount of money that they earn or the color of their skin. That doesn't mean that people should automatically discount another person just because of a difference of an opinion......unless you do know everyone posting on here of course! I don't "think" you and I have ever met, and I will not say it on here, but I feel I do know your identity and that I will, even though we do not agree on the school district, still be glad to see you on Monday night. Wow Elderman.
That was a pretty closed minded remark:
I ask that you do this without revealing my identity as many of the people I address I have absolutely no wish to communicate with outside these postings. Thank you

Other than the comments on here, what do you know about the people posting on here? That is what makes our lives enriched…..not everyone will have the same opinion with any given matter, the way they raise their kids, the way they do a job,the religion they practice, the amount of money that they earn or the color of their skin.

That doesn’t mean that people should automatically discount another person just because of a difference of an opinion……unless you do know everyone posting on here of course!
I don’t “think” you and I have ever met, and I will not say it on here, but I feel I do know your identity and that I will, even though we do not agree on the school district, still be glad to see you on Monday night.

]]> By: DANBOY http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055/comment-page-1#comment-611 DANBOY Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:25:59 +0000 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/?p=5055#comment-611 DO YOU THINK THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN COST MIGHT BE ALL THE MONEY WE HAVE IN STUDY AFTER STUDY AFTER STUDY.STUDY THAT MR. MYSTERIOUS DO YOU THINK THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN COST MIGHT BE ALL THE MONEY WE HAVE IN STUDY AFTER STUDY AFTER STUDY.STUDY THAT MR. MYSTERIOUS

]]> By: concerned citizen http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055/comment-page-1#comment-610 concerned citizen Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:52:48 +0000 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/?p=5055#comment-610 ahhh Hey Danboy. Are you "aloud" to use spell check? I'm sure the "admimistrater" of this site will have one installed for you. ahhh Hey Danboy.

Are you “aloud” to use spell check? I’m sure the “admimistrater” of this site will have one installed for you.

]]> By: jfullerton http://www.kittanningpaper.com/2010/02/19/lenape-keeps-full-day-program-adds-half-day-as-option/5055/comment-page-1#comment-609 jfullerton Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:54:08 +0000 http://www.kittanningpaper.com/?p=5055#comment-609 Well, according to the handouts for the ASD board meeting, it costs more to send a student to ASD then it does to send a student to Lenape. Just think about it! Well, according to the handouts for the ASD board meeting, it costs more to send a student to ASD then it does to send a student to Lenape. Just think about it!

]]>